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GILGANDRA RIFLE OPEN

“THE COOEE CUP”

REMEMBRANCE DAY MEMORIAL TRIBUTE SHOOT

GP ROUND

SERVICE/FIELD/HUNTER/OPEN RIFLE

HOSTED BY SSAA GILGANDRA and GILGANDRA RIFLE CLUB
11-12-13 NOVEMBER 2011

* * * OPEN TO ANY SHOOTER WITH A CURRENT LICENCE * * *

If you own a field rifle, factory sporter, 303, Mauser or any type of centrefire rifle, this is your weekend!
Equip:   Either scope or binoculars etc, Grade Card, Shooting Mat, Pen, Eye and Ear protection, licence, etc.

FRIDAY                  10.00am ARRIVAL AND SIGN-ON.

MATCH 1   - IMC - INTERNATIONAL SERVICE MATCH COURSE – 88 rounds.

3 Warm Up Shots in 3 minutes.

String 1            200,     Deliberate         - 2 sighters and 20 shots, Standing Off Hand, on NRA SR target – 22min.

String 2            200,     Rapid               - 2 sighters then 2x 10 shots 60 seconds, Sitting or Kneeling, SR target.

String 3            300,     Rapid               - 2 sighters then 2x 10 shots 70 sec, Prone, SR3 target.

String 4            600,     Deliberate         - 2 sighters and 20 shots, Prone, SR3 target – 22min

 

SATURDAY           7.30am ARRIVAL AND SIGN-ON.

MATCH 1b - IMC - INTERNATIONAL SERVICE MATCH COURSE (2nd rifle spec choice)

    COMP USED 200 SLOW FIRE - A 200 SLOW FIRE - B 200 200 RAPID FIRE - A 200 RAPID FIRE - B 200 300 RAPID FIRE - A 300 RAPID FIRE - B 300 600 SLOW FIRE 600 SLOW FIRE 600 IMC80 IMC IMC50A IMC
FIRST NAME LAST NAME SPEC SPEC X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS SCORE X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS SCORE X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS SCORE X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS SCORE TOTAL % TOTAL %
CRAIG MAHONEY 1 1   1 5 3     1 84.00 10   1 3 1 5     80.00 10 164.00   1 4 3 2     84.00 10   2 4 4       88.00 10 172.00   1 3 4 2     83.00 10   4 4 2       92.00 10 175.00   3 4 1 2     88.00 10 1 1 4 3   1   86.01 10 174.01 685.01 85.6 425.01 85.0
GARRY SAWLE 1 1   1 3 2 4     81.00 10   2 3 1 2   2 79.00 10 160.00   2 3 3 2     85.00 10 1 3 2 3   1   88.01 10 173.01 1 1 6 1   1   88.01 10 1 1 7 1       91.01 10 179.02   2   1 5 2   75.00 10 1 1 4 3   1   86.01 10 161.01 673.04 84.1 415.02 83.0
ED HRYCKIEWICZ 1 1   1 2 1 3   3 72.00 10   3 3 1 1 2   84.00 10 156.00       3 2 1 1 49.00 7     2 2   1 3 55.00 8 104.00   3   3   3 1 77.00 10 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 74.01 10 151.01   1 2 1 3 2   69.00 9   2 3 2 2 1   83.00 10 152.00 563.01 70.4 350.00 70.0
KEN BURRELL 1 1     4 1   1 1 55.00 7   1 2     4 1 57.00 8 112.00 1 3 4       1 81.01 9 1 2 2 3 2     86.01 10 167.02     8 1   1   86.00 10   1 4 1 3 1   81.00 10 167.00     1   2   4 43.00 7     1 1 4   3 60.00 9 103.00 549.02 68.6 325.01 65.0
BARNEY HRYCKIEWICZ 1A 1A   1   3 2 2 1 65.00 9   1 2 2 1 1   57.00 7 122.00   2 3 2 1 1   76.00 9 1 1 1 3 1 3   78.01 10 154.01     1   1 1 3 37.00 6   2 1 2 1 2   64.00 8 101.00   1 3 2 2 2   79.00 10   1 3 2 3 1   80.00 10 159.00 536.01 67.0 337.00 67.4
DAVID WATERS 2 2 1 1 5 3       89.01 10   3 6   1     91.00 10 180.01 2 5 3         97.02 10 1 5 4         96.01 10 193.03   7 3         97.00 10 3 6 1         99.03 10 196.03 2 5 2   1     95.02 10 5 2 3         97.05 10 192.07 761.14 95.1 475.10 95.0
PETER BARNIER 2 2 2 4 3 1       95.02 10   1 6 1 2     86.00 10 181.02 2 6 2         98.02 10 4 5 1         99.04 10 197.06 1 6 3         97.01 10 2 5 3         97.02 10 194.03 1 6 2   1     95.01 10 2 3 3 2       93.02 10 188.03 760.14 95.0 478.08 95.6
ANDREW BROWN 2 2   2 5 2   1   87.00 10   3 3 4       89.00 10 176.00 2 1 4         66.02 7   3 6 1       92.00 10 158.02 2 7 1         99.02 10   3 4 3       90.00 10 189.02 1 1 4 4       88.01 10 2 4 2 2       94.02 10 182.03 705.07 88.1 434.07 86.8
CRAIG MAHONEY 2 2   1 3 5 1     84.00 10 1 2 1 3 1 1   76.01 9 160.01 4 2 4         96.04 10   1 6 2 1     87.00 10 183.04 1 3 6         94.01 10 1 2 5 1 1     90.01 10 184.02 2 1 1 2 4     83.02 10 1 2 3 2 2     87.01 10 170.03 697.10 87.1 444.08 88.8
SIMON ROSS 2 2 2 1 1 5 1     86.02 10     4 3 3     81.00 10 167.02 1 3 5 1       93.01 10 2 1 4 2 1     89.02 10 182.03   2 2 4 1 1   83.00 10   3 5 1 1     90.00 10 173.00   1 1 2 5 1   76.00 10 1   4 3 1 1   83.01 10 159.01 681.06 85.1 421.04 84.2
GARRY SAWLE 2 1     4 2   3 1 75.00 10     1 3 5 1   74.00 10 149.00   5 1 3 1     90.00 10 1 4 3 2       93.01 10 183.01 1 1 5 1 2     87.01 10 2 4 2 2       94.02 10 181.03   1 2 1 2 4   74.00 10   2 2 2 3 1   81.00 10 155.00 668.04 83.5 407.01 81.4
RICK GLEESON 2 2     3 2 4     71.00 9   3 5 1     1 88.00 10 159.00   1 5 1 3     84.00 10 1 2 3 2 1   1 85.01 10 169.01 1 1 4 1 3     85.01 10   2 7         83.00 9 168.01       1 1 8   63.00 10 1     3 4     62.01 8 125.01 621.03 77.6 365.02 73.0
BARNEY HRYCKIEWICZ 2 1A       3 1   2 41.00 6   1 2 2 2 1 1 69.00 9 110.00 1   2 1 5 1   77.01 10 1   2 1 2 3 1 73.01 10 150.02       2   4 3 55.00 9     1 2 1 4 1 61.00 9 116.00   2 5 1 1 1   86.00 10 1 3 1 1 1 3   82.01 10 168.01 544.03 68.0 341.02 68.2
ED HRYCKIEWICZ 2 1     1 3 4     61.00 8   1 2 2   2 1 61.00 8 122.00     1 4 1 1 2 64.00 9   2 1 2 1 2   64.00 8 128.00     3 2 2 1 1 68.00 9 1 2 2 1 2     70.01 8 138.01 1 2 3   1 3   82.01 10     1 2 5 2   72.00 10 154.01 542.02 67.8 347.01 69.4
LEIGH SINCLAIR 2 2       4 1 2 3 66.00 10     2 3   1 2 58.00 8 124.00   1 2 2 2 1   64.00 8       5 4     68.00 9 132.00   1 1     2 2 41.00 6   2 1 3 2 1   73.00 9 114.00   4       2 2 62.00 8         1 6   43.00 7 105.00 475.00 59.4 276.00 55.2
PETER BARNIER 3 3 1 1 6 1 1     89.01 10 1 4 5         95.01 10 184.02 5 5           100.05 10 6 4           100.06 10 200.11 1 4 5         95.01 10 3 4 2 1       96.03 10 191.04 1 7 2         98.01 10 3 5 1 1       97.03 10 195.04 770.21 96.3 479.11 95.8
DAVID WATERS 3 3 1 5 3 1       95.01 10 1 1 3 5       87.01 10 182.02 1 6 2 1       96.01 10 3 4 3         97.03 10 193.04 1 6 2         88.01 9 2 2 3 2 1     90.02 10 178.03 3 3 2 2       94.03 10 5 3 2         98.05 10 192.08 745.17 93.1 471.11 94.2
ROSS TAYLOR 3 3     1 7 2     79.00 10 1 1 4 3 1     87.01 10 166.01 2 6 1 1       97.02 10 3 6   1       98.03 10 195.05 1 2 5 2       91.01 10 1 8   1       98.01 10 189.02 1 3 5   1     92.01 10   3 4 3       90.00 10 182.01 732.09 91.5 449.04 89.8
DEAN DEWHURST 3 3 2 5 2   1     95.02 10   1 5 3 1     86.00 10 181.02 1 2 5 2       91.01 10 2 3 5         95.02 10 186.03   1 7 2       89.00 10 1 4 5         95.01 10 184.01 2   6 2       90.02 10 1 3 3 2 1     90.01 10 180.03 731.09 91.4 455.06 91.0
PETER BROWN 3 3 2   4 2 1 1   85.02 10 1   7 2       89.01 10 174.03 2 1 3 3 1     88.02 10   2 5 3       89.00 10 177.02 1 3 3 3       91.01 10   3 3 2 2     87.00 10 178.01 3 2 1 4       91.03 10 4 3 2 1       96.04 10 187.07 716.13 89.5 451.12 90.2
NICK ABRAHALL 3 3   4 4 1 1     91.00 10   2 5   1   1 77.00 9 168.00   3 3 3       81.00 9 1 7 2         98.01 10 179.01   3 2 4       80.00 9 2 2 3         67.02 7 147.02   4 5   1     92.00 10 2 5 1 2       95.02 10 187.02 681.05 85.1 439.02 87.8
DAVID GULLIFORD 3 3   1 4 4 1     85.00 10   1 2 4 1 1 1 78.00 10 163.00   3 3 2 1 1   86.00 10 1 1 5   1 2   84.01 10 170.01   2 2 3 3     83.00 10 3 3 2 1 1     93.03 10 176.03 1     3 2 4   72.01 10     3 1 3 3   74.00 10 146.01 655.05 81.9 400.01 80.0
BRAD AVARD 3 3       4 2 1 2 62.00 9     3 2 3 1   70.00 9 132.00     1 5 3     70.00 9   2 4 3 1     87.00 10 157.00   1     3 1 1 42.00 6     2 2 3 2   67.00 9 109.00     1 2 1 3   50.00 7   1 1 2 3 3   74.00 10 124.00 522.00 65.3 298.00 59.6
STEWART GEORGE 5 5 1 1 3 3 2     85.01 10   1 5 3 1     86.00 10 171.01 1 3 5 1       93.01 10   7 3         97.00 10 190.01 2 8           100.02 10 4 4 2         98.04 10 198.06 3 2 5         95.03 10 2 2 3 1 2     89.02 10 184.05 743.13 92.9 462.09 92.4
NIGEL REEVES 5 5   1 5 2 2     85.00 10 1 2 3 3 1     88.01 10 173.01 1 3 5 1       93.01 10 1 1 6 2       90.01 10 183.02 4 2 4         96.04 10 3 4 3         97.03 10 193.07 2 2 2 3 1     89.02 10 2 2 1 4 1     88.02 10 177.04 726.14 90.8 451.09 90.2
PETER BROWN 5 3 1 4 2 2   1   90.01 10 1 3 2 2 1 1   87.01 10 177.02   3 5 2       91.00 10 1 2 4 2 1     89.01 10 180.01   6 3 1       95.00 10 2 2 3 3       91.02 10 186.02 2 2 2 3 1     89.02 10 2 2 3 3       91.02 10 180.04 723.09 90.4 456.05 91.2
KIM ELLIS 5 5     6 2 1 1   83.00 10   2 4 4       88.00 10 171.00 1 3 4 2       92.01 10 1 5 3 1       95.01 10 187.02 2   4 4       88.02 10   4 5 1       93.00 10 181.02   4 2 3 1     89.00 10 2 4 1 1 2     91.02 10 180.02 719.06 89.9 443.05 88.6
DEAN DEWHURST 5 3 1 4 3 2       93.01 10   3 3 3     1 86.00 10 179.01 1 2 7         93.01 10   6 1 1 1     84.00 9 177.01 1 2 2 4 1     87.01 10 2 1 5 2       91.02 10 178.03 1 1 4 1 2 1   84.01 10 1 3 4 1 1     91.01 10 175.02 709.07 88.6 448.05 89.6
ROSS TAYLOR 5 3   3 2 2 1   1 76.00 9   1 4 3 1   1 82.00 10 158.00 2 6 2         98.02 10 2 4 4         96.02 10 194.04   3 5 2       91.00 10 1   7 2       89.01 10 180.01   2 3 1 4     83.00 10   3 1 4 2     85.00 10 168.00 700.05 87.5 433.02 86.6
BRAD AVARD 5 5   1 2 2   3 1 67.00 9   1 3 3 2 1   81.00 10 148.00   4 4 1       84.00 9 1 5 2 2       94.01 10 178.01 3 1 4 2       92.03 10 2 1 5 2       91.02 10 183.05 2 2 5 1       93.02 10 1 3 2 4       90.01 10 183.03 692.09 86.5 426.06 85.2
ANDREW BROWN 5 5   4 6         94.00 10 1 3 3 1       75.01 8 169.01 3 5 2         98.03 10 2 5 2         88.02 9 186.05   2 1         29.00 3 3 2 5         95.03 10 124.03 2 4 3 1       95.02 10 5 3 1   1     96.05 10 191.07 670.16 83.8 412.10 82.4
CHRIS BENTLEY 5 5   2 2 1   1 1 57.00 7 1 1 2 2 1 1   67.01 8 124.01   3 2 1 1     63.00 7   2 3 3 1 1   84.00 10 147.00 2 2 5 1       93.02 10 1 6 3         97.01 10 190.03 1 3 3 3       91.01 10 1 3 1 3 1 1   86.01 10 177.02 638.06 79.8 390.04 78.0
LEIGH SINCLAIR 5 5     5 3 1     76.00 9   1 2 1 3 1 2 73.00 10 149.00   2 1 5 2     83.00 10     3 2 2 1 1 68.00 9 151.00   3 3 1 1   1 77.00 9   3 4 2       82.00 9 159.00     1 2 4 3   71.00 10   2 1 1 2 4   75.00 10 146.00 605.00 75.6 382.00 76.4
STEWART GEORGE 5B 5 4 3 2 1       96.04 10 2 3 3 1 1     92.02 10 188.06 1 5 1 2 1     92.01 10 3 3 3   1     94.03 10 186.04 1 5 3   1     94.01 10 1 4 4 1       94.01 10 188.02 4 3 1 2       95.04 10 1 2 6 1       92.01 10 187.05 749.17 93.6 469.11 93.8
NIGEL REEVES 5B 5 1 1 2 3 2 1   82.01 10   4 3 3       91.00 10 173.01 1 3 5 1       93.01 10 1 6 3         97.01 10 190.02 1 5 3 1       95.01 10 1 4 3 1 1     92.01 10 187.02 2 1 4 2 1     89.02 10 1 5 2 1 1     93.01 10 182.03 732.08 91.5 452.06 90.4

 

MATCH 2   - TMC - TACTICAL – “ANY Rifle” (any sight) (bi-pod or front rest etc only)

Warm Up         5 shots in 5 minutes @ 600.                  Entire match shot on MR-1 target.

                        - Deliberate, 10 rounds in 3minutes (no marking), then directly into next string,

                        - Snap, 5x 6 second exposures to fire 10 rounds total
 

    DEL/SNAP
FIRST NAME LAST NAME X 10 9 8 7 6 5 SCORE HITS
PETER BARNIER 7 12 1         199.07 20
SIMON ROSS 8 10 2         198.08 20
ANDREW BROWN 6 12 2         198.06 20
BRAD AVARD 6 11 3         197.06 20
NICK ABRAHALL 7 10 1 2       195.07 20
NIK HAMPSHIRE 7 6 7         193.07 20
DAVID WATERS 4 7 7 2       189.04 20
CRAIG MAHONEY 3 9 5 2 1     188.03 20
DAVID GULIFORD 2 8 6 3 1     185.02 20
DEAN DEWHURST   5 7 7 1     176.00 20
PETER BROWN 1 4 6 6 3     173.01 20
KIM ELLIS 1 3 6 4 6     168.01 20
LEIGH SINCLAIR 3 2 2 7 4 2   164.03 20
NIGEL REEVES 2 3 8 1 4 1   164.02 19

SUNDAY                7.30am Arrival and Sign-on.  All rifle types shoot concurrently.

MATCH 3   - AMC - AUSTRALIAN SERVICE MATCH COURSE – 68 rounds.

(REMEMBRANCE DAY EVENT)

            300 Slow Fire,             Prone U/S        2 sighters + 10 rounds              12min,              Fig 12 4x4

            300  Rapid Fire,           Prone U/S        5+5 rounds                               30-30-30sec,   Fig 12 4x4

            300  Snap Fire,            Prone U/S        10 rounds                                 3sec per exp,    Fig 12 4x4

            200  Rapid Fire,           Sitting U/S        2 sighters + 5+5 rounds            30-30-30sec,   Fig 11

            200  Snap Fire,            Sitting U/S        2 sighters + 10 rounds              3sec per shot,   Fig 12

            100  Snap Fire,            Standing U/S    2 sighters + 10 rounds              3sec per shot,   Fig 12
      300 APPLICATION 300 RAPID 300 SNAP 200 RAPID 200 SNAP 100 SNAP  
FIRST NAME LAST NAME SPEC V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS V 5 4 3 2 SCORE HITS TOTAL
GARRY SAWLE 1 2 2 5 1   43.02 10 6 2 2     48.06 10 2 3 4 1   44.02 10 4 1 5     45.04 10 2 6 2     48.02 10 3   4 3   40.03 10 268.19
KIM ELLIS 1 6 2   2   46.06 10 1 3 4 2   42.01 10 2 6 2     48.02 10 3 3 3 1   45.03 10   2 6 2   40.00 10 5 4       45.05 9 266.17
SIMON ROSS 1 5 2 2 1   46.05 10 2 3 3 2   43.02 10 3 3 3 1   45.03 10 3 1 5 1   43.03 10 4 2 2     38.04 8 3 2 2 2   39.03 9 254.20
CRAIG MAHONEY 1 3 1 4 2   42.03 10   2 2 5 1 35.00 10 1 2 2 5   38.01 10 2 4 4     46.02 10 1 3 1 4   36.01 9 5 2 3     47.05 10 244.12
ED HRYCKIEWICZ 1 2 2 3 3   41.02 10   1 3 5 1 34.00 10 1 2 2 4 1 37.01 10 4 1 2 3   42.04 10 1 2 2 3   32.01 8 1 3 4 2   42.01 10 228.09
BARNEY HRYCKIEWICZ 1A 3 3 1 3   43.03 10 2   1 5 2 33.02 10   1 1 7 1 32.00 10 1 2 1 1   22.01 5       1   3.00 1 1 1 1 3   23.01 6 156.07
PETER BARNIER 2 6 3 1     49.06 10 9   1     49.09 10 5 5       50.05 10 5 5       50.05 10 9 1       50.09 10 5 2 2 1   46.05 10 294.39
DAVID WATERS 2 8 1   1   48.08 10 7 2 1     49.07 10 4 3 3     47.04 10 7 2       45.07 9 7 3       50.07 10 5 3 2     48.05 10 287.38
DEAN DEWHURST 2 6 3 1     49.06 10 7   3     47.07 10 2 6 2     48.02 10 5 3 1 1   47.05 10 4 4 1 1   47.04 10 5 2 3     47.05 10 285.29
ROSS TAYLOR 3 5 5       50.05 10 4 5   1   48.04 10 5 3 2     48.05 10 2 2 4 2   42.02 10 3 2 2 2   39.03 9 3 3 3     42.03 9 269.22
DAVID GULLIFORD 3 3 2 2 3   42.03 10 4   4 2   42.04 10 3 4 3     47.03 10 3 2 5     45.03 10 3 3 3 1   45.03 10 4 3 2     43.04 9 264.20
RICK GLEESON 2 1 2 2 5   38.01 10 3 3 1 1 1 39.03 9 1 3 4 2   42.01 10 2 3 3 1   40.02 9 6 1 2     43.06 9 4 3 2 1   46.04 10 248.17
NIGEL REEVES 2 5 2 2 1   46.05 10 1 1 3 5   37.01 10 3 3 3     42.03 9 1 2 4 2   37.01 9   4 1 3   33.00 8   2 3 1   25.00 6 220.10
ANDREW BROWN 5 10         50.10 10 9 1       50.09 10 5 5       50.05 10 5 5       50.05 10 8 2       50.08 10 5 3 1 1   47.05 10 297.42
PETER BROWN 5 5 2 2 1   46.05 10 6 1 2 1   46.06 10 8 2       50.08 10 9   1     49.09 10 6 4       50.06 10 6 3 1     49.06 10 290.40
BRAD AVARD 5 8 1 1     49.08 10 4 3 2 1   46.04 10 4 3 3     47.04 10 5   2 3   42.05 10 4 3 2 1   46.04 10 6 1 3     47.06 10 277.31
NICK ABRAHALL 5 7 2 1     49.07 10 2 6 2     48.02 10 5 4 1     49.05 10 3 5 2     48.03 10 4   1 1   27.04 6 3 3 1     34.03 7 255.24
CHRIS BENTLEY 5 6 3 1     49.06 10 2 5 3     47.02 10 2 5 2 1   46.02 10   1 4 4   33.00 9   2   2   16.00 4 1 4 3 1   40.01 9 231.11
LEIGH SINCLAIR 5 5 2   3   44.05 10 2 1 1 5 1 36.02 10 3   1 6   37.03 10   2 2 2   24.00 6 2   4 1   29.02 7 3 2 4 1   44.03 10 214.15


 

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Cost: $50 for all rifle matches Fri, Sat & Sun.  Or, $30 Per Day.

Non AIHPA members pay $5 per event pass to be eligible to titles.  Membership available on the day.

All lunch and drinks are BYO all weekend.

Pre-nominations not required – just show up.

Accommodation suggestions: Three Ways Motel, happy to host shooters.  6847 2241 – self to organise.

Event Director,   David Waters AH) 02 4739 6422          rifle @ aihpa.com          Mob: 0419 103 076
Gilgandra range info: Bill Cheal H) 02 6847 2359

Note: Organisers reserve the right to change the event or schedule without notice.

Web Site for extra info, rules, range maps etc.   http://www.aihpa.com

Range: Travel along Mendooran Rd (off Newell Hwy) east bound from Gilgandra towards Mendooran for approx 7-8km. Look for a northern turnoff side road “Bearbung Rd” - sign posted to Rifle Range 2.5km.

 

Some GSM & 3G mobile services work at range and accommodation.  Range operates on UHF Ch30.

 

While in Gilgandra, why not try:

    Allan and Heather Thiele (Thiele's Coffee Lounge) good food - eat in or take-away. (in main street). Thiel's (Take away - only to lunch time Saturday)  6847 2007

 
    RSL Club (Morris Street) parallel to main street  good restaurant  etc ( allow us room free of charge for SSAA meetings)
   
    Andrew Newstead (Gilgandra Fruit Market) willing to advertise shoots, supportive but a cricketer!
 
    Bogas usually cheapest fuel (on Dubbo Road about a long block from Three Ways Motel).
 
    Best Chinese Food: Kingsway Resturant at Gilgandra Motel, Warren Rd.  Reservation usually needed, 6847 2999